Our observation is that consumers are consuming what they did earlier. There is no downtrading. What is peculiar about the liquor industry is that once a person is used to a certain kind of whisky or vodka, there is a high reluctance to change. People in India, we think, will not cut back on experience but hold back on luxury. Whatever downtrading is happening is only in states with high COVID tax. Operating margin for us has always been super healthy (18% last year). It will remain in the late teens for the next three years.
Our sales largely happen through retail. Institutional sales is only 3-4%. We don’t see this changing dramatically. In India, you pay 5-6x more while drinking out and, from the consumer’s point of view, that money can be used to drink more affordably.
You have transformed the company from a bulk producer to one that is that focused on the premium end. What do you think you did right?
In the liquor industry, mass products give you volume, but value comes from premium brands. When I joined the business we were only a bulk spirits manufacturer. So, we looked at ways to compete with the multinationals and the answer was to have world-class brands in the premium segment. Though whisky was and is the largest part of the spirits market, it has always been the most competitive. Our strategy was to offer quality spirits across price points. Over time, we have brought in a host of premium and super premium brands like Morpheus, 1965, Spirit of Victory and 8PM Premium Black.
Your growth story has been largely organic, even when there were acquisition opportunities. Why?
We did do a couple of very small buyouts about 15 years ago. When I joined, debt was Rs.400 million with loss of Rs.100 million. At one point, post expansion of production facilities, our debt crossed Rs.10 billion in 2015. We turned our attention to cutting down debt and, over the past three years, I have repaid close to Rs.7 billion. Our priority has been to have a few strong brands, which would keep the business going. After all, we had the plants and the overhead costs were already paid for. Once your brands start generating cash, you are in good shape. You can call us conservative but we like to do things slowly. Even in the case of 8PM Black, we started off initially in three states before moving to seven. We have mastered the art of creating brands by not spending too much. If we know how to build brands inexpensively, how does an acquisition make sense?
Radico Khaitan is one of the largest suppliers of IMFL to the canteen stores department (CSD), a segment known to have entry barriers. Do you still see it as a big opportunity?
We are by far the largest suppliers to the CSD. This business was something that I chose to focus on when I joined. A lot of effort went into marketing as well. Today, around 10-11% of our total business comes from there. There is no distribution challenge here, there was an opportunity to build an Indian brand and this worked with our portfolio across spirits. However, this has not given us any big growth over the past five years. For one, it is a limited market and our approach is to maintain status quo. We see bigger opportunities outside to build our brands. For instance, exports have taken off with us reaching over 70 countries. Today, 7% of our business comes from exports. For our premium brands, the US is the largest market apart from Africa and Middle East. Now, we are expanding in South East Asia. We have a good presence at premium outlets, for example our Rampur Single Malt sells for $1,400, and there is also an opportunity to create brands only for the export market.
Being a premium player will be difficult in this economic environment. What is your plan to retain volume?
For anyone to build a pan-India brand from scratch today is almost impossible. I don’t think even we can create Radico all over again today. The challenges are many — you can’t use the word whisky, distribution has become far more complex, more approvals have become necessary and, of course, a lot of money has to be spent on media to stand out in the clutter. If someone needs to take advantage of the IPL, media spend of Rs.500 million to Rs. 1 billion is needed for minimal visibility.
How have you positioned yourself in a whisky market in which Diageo and Pernod Ricard are formidable players?
When we started off, competition was actually tougher with more companies. Most of them shut shop and we managed to survive. Today, it is down to just two multinational companies and we have done things right. We are not a cheap brand and have never dropped prices. At the core was investments made in the blend and a focus on quality. Besides, being an Indian company gives us a better understanding of culture, festivals and emotions. That allows us to do a lot of activities at a regional level.
Do regional players pose a threat to pan India players?
In many ways, the entry of new players is good news for the industry. It opens up the category and brings in more customers. Over time, there will be no more than three to four strong brands. We have always believed in having a large portfolio and are now more encouraged by the entry of new players.